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Post by lilmermaid on Jan 3, 2012 12:22:25 GMT -6
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Post by bumblebee23 on Jan 3, 2012 12:50:19 GMT -6
Quite honestly no I am not shocked by this at all. When DS1 was in Kindergarden and having a little trouble with his sounds and reading he wasn't getting the help he needed because the teacher was busy helping the kids that could barely speak english let alone read it. He didn't go to preschool. I called several places but it all cost to much for me to send him. Plus I was young and didn't know of any other programs like headstart or anything and wasn't even told about them when I took him in for he pre k testing. My youngest was able to go to preschool only because his daycares daughter ran a preschool and she got him a scholarship to go. I know preschool plays a big part in how the kids do in Kindergarden and I think more attention needs to be made to help parents find preschools for their children...especially for low income families.
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Post by sarahisis on Jan 3, 2012 13:16:34 GMT -6
not shocked. I read the article last week or the week before in the paper!
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Post by apryllraye87 on Jan 3, 2012 14:07:29 GMT -6
Not really shocked either. DS preschool teacher has said many times that preschool is the new kindergarten and most kids that don't attend preschool aren't ready for kindergarten and have a hard time adjusting. It is hard for a lot of people to send their children to preschool because it can be very expensive. For us, we are paying barely more than we were paying in daycare so it wasn't much of a difference.
I took the quiz and it says he is right on track.
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Post by mnmommy2 on Jan 3, 2012 14:14:29 GMT -6
working in my sons school this year, I agree with this years kindergarten. A lot of them were not ready to go this year, I would have kept a lot of them home, but like another poster said, they can't afford daycare and send them to school when they are not ready. A lot of the kids are very young kindergarteners this year and they are so fragile and shy still after 4 months of school and are not ready to open up and learn just quite yet.
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Post by mnmommy2 on Jan 3, 2012 14:15:56 GMT -6
we did 2 yrs of preschool for my youngest (October birthday) and he needed it. We did 3 yrs of preschool for my oldest (Asperger's Syndrome) and he went to Kindergarten at a young 5 yr old (late July birthday) but he was ready for it and we did full day.
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Post by ladyandrearose on Jan 3, 2012 18:23:30 GMT -6
I guess I am shocked. My DD rated on track for all catagories and we did not do any preschool. (We both couldn't afford it and figure out how to get her there.) We have an awesome daycare provider who works with the kids on numbers, letters (caps and lowercase), name writing, simple math and other stuff. I am thinking I am very fortunate to have my provider! We work with her at home, too. I thought that stuff was kind of normal.
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Post by dara1012 on Jan 3, 2012 22:27:20 GMT -6
I was shocked when I took the quiz. DS is on track for everything, but what scared me was that at age 3 they ask if he can count to 3....really? He can count to over 30. He recognizes all his letters and can spell his name. The other day as we were driving he said " O N E W A Y" what does that mean? We told him the sign was One Way, the next day he spelled it again and said "One Way". I guess I thought that was "normal" for a 3 year old (almost 4). I worry that he won't get attention in kindergarten if they are dealing with kids who are still learning ABC's and counting.
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Post by charliesmom05 on Jan 3, 2012 23:39:29 GMT -6
I have helped out a lot in my sons kindergarten this year and was asked to pull the kids out one at a time to quiz them on a few things.
I was so shocked to see that most of them had no idea what state they live in. Several did not know their phone number or address. But the part that really shocked me was at least 3 kids did not know their last name. I almost argued with a little girl who was determined her last name was Marie, I had her info in front of me and that was her middle name. I guess her mom might call her so much by her first and middle name that she thought it was.
I understand kids learn at different paces, but really? our son is by himself when the teacher pulls the kids out for reading group because none of the other kids are at his level. before break, his teacher mentioned to me she was going to see if any of the other teachers had students at his level so they might get paired up, but that the school needs volunteers to come do the reading groups for these kids. I'm lost on that one. So is it that the other half of mn kids that are ready for kindergarten are going to be held back because the teachers have to spend more time on the other kids who don't know their ABC's? silly question since I know the answer from experience.
Oh well, that is another post in its own.
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Post by charliesmom05 on Jan 4, 2012 10:34:05 GMT -6
I will have to comment on this last reply... our ds went to preschool last year only two days a week, but he went in knowing his ABC's, he knew how to write all of his letters lower case and capitalized, he went in knowing how to add smaller numbers and could even read easier books/words. he knew all the sounds for each letter of the alphabet.
I thought it was funny when ds came home from preschool one day and said "mommy, I'm not learning anything in school, I'm just playing". I did explain to him that he was learning to play with other kids, learning to follow rules, etc.
From very young, we worked with ds on everything possible, but made it more playing than learning and ds loved it. it's not hard to teach these things to your children, if you can make time to spend with them. I understand some parents work long hours, but when you are driving, giving a bath, sitting at the dinner table, you can be teaching things to your child while having fun.
If your children are at daycare or a babysitter, it's okay to ask what they are doing with your children each day. Some babysitters and daycare providers take pride in teaching your kids as well, I know I did when I took care of kids in our home. I would go nuts having the kids play on their own or just playing with each other all day, so I printed out cards, worksheets, connect the dots, mazes, traceable letters, and more and had folders for each kid and sent things home with them daily and weekly.
Oh well. to each their own. I love teaching and playing with our son so when he comes home from school we are constantly learning, I'm not going to leave it up to the schools to teach my child everything. Even when ds is playing wii he is reading a lot since most his games have directions and stories.
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Post by lilmermaid on Jan 4, 2012 12:51:41 GMT -6
I am shocked that more parents don't know what is expected of their children regarding their education! IMO I did everything possible to make sure they are ready. That meant working with them and also preschool. It's tough to afford it and I get that but we made sure to set that money aside so they could go. There are so many programs out there to help you out if money is an issue and many that do provide transportation. It makes me wonder if you can't help them now what will you do when they are in school? Trust me it's a HUGE shock to see how much homework these kids have in elementary school no less. DD1 is in 2nd grade and she brings home a 5-6 page packet every Friday that is due the next Friday.
Sorry Vic but when it come to daycare you better believe I would search out one that did in fact concentrate on preschool things. I guess I wouldn't settle for one that didn't. To each their own.
I know for my even with my education background I felt my DDs need to and learn better(
more) away from me. There is a lot I can't provide/teach them that they can get at a preschool.
I also think this statistic has a LOT to do with the minority populations. We in MN have so many minority groups that have transplanted here and they just don't understand the education system. That itself is heartbreaking!
I didn't mean this as an attack against anyone but just my thoughts on what I would do/have done and what I see happening.
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Post by charliesmom05 on Jan 4, 2012 14:34:02 GMT -6
I agree completely I am shocked that more parents don't know what is expected of their children regarding their education! IMO I did everything possible to make sure they are ready. That meant working with them and also preschool. It's tough to afford it and I get that but we made sure to set that money aside so they could go. There are so many programs out there to help you out if money is an issue and many that do provide transportation. It makes me wonder if you can't help them now what will you do when they are in school? Trust me it's a HUGE shock to see how much homework these kids have in elementary school no less. DD1 is in 2nd grade and she brings home a 5-6 page packet every Friday that is due the next Friday. Sorry Vic but when it come to daycare you better believe I would search out one that did in fact concentrate on preschool things. I guess I wouldn't settle for one that didn't. To each their own. I know for my even with my education background I felt my DDs need to and learn better( more) away from me. There is a lot I can't provide/teach them that they can get at a preschool. I also think this statistic has a LOT to do with the minority populations. We in MN have so many minority groups that have transplanted here and they just don't understand the education system. That itself is heartbreaking! I didn't mean this as an attack against anyone but just my thoughts on what I would do/have done and what I see happening. |
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Post by outdoorsmommy on Jan 4, 2012 23:10:33 GMT -6
I am not shocked at all. This might get me in hot water for saying this in here but I think more parents need to step up and start working with their children too. Parents expect their daycare provider to do all the work and then they do nothing. Granted I work with the kids a lot but when they go home and the parents set them in front of the tv and do nothing with helping their child learn, they need to take control. Most school systems are a joke these days, they help the kids that lake the skills and skip over the children that have the skills. Don't scrutinize your daycare provider.
Personally I think some standards for kindergarten are set way to low, one of my new daycare parent who has a daughter (4 1/2) in preschool and the infant at my place was so happy because they said her daughter was ahead, she knew some of her letters and could count to 12 and is starting to write her name....are you kidding me??? This is nuts she should know all her letters and should count higher then that and should be able to write her name!! Set these standards higher and make parents more accountable!!
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Post by ladyandrearose on Jan 5, 2012 6:22:36 GMT -6
Sara, I agree w/ you. When I took the test to see where DD was I was shocked that she only had to be able to count to ten, recognize some letters and some numbers. She is well beyond this. I'm blessed w/ an awesome day care provider, however DH and I work w/ her too. This team approach has really helped DD learn and prepare.
After this thread, I'm more concerned about how DD will react to the school environment if she is "ignored" by teachers who have to bring other kids up. My biggest fear is she will be bored w/ school and have the attitude I did in school when I was bored. Boy, teachers have a tough job.
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Post by sharon on Jan 5, 2012 6:24:39 GMT -6
It's a given that schools will have students at many different levels, maybe most of all in Kindergarten, but really all along. It's a fair question to ask how they manage that - I know that's something we asked at each of the schools we toured.
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