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Post by sharon on Oct 26, 2012 4:35:38 GMT -6
That exact tactic has worked in other states. It's so dumb b/c whether schools teach about different families is not effect AT ALL by marriage law. I have never heard of a school teaching the difference between religious marriage, civil marriage, state marriage, federal marriage, marriage in other countries, and all the other types of marriages that exist in our state. It's all such complicated differences that most adults don't get it! And it's besides the point. When elementary school kids are learning about families the point is to learn that families are different in many ways, but also the same in that they hopefully love and care for each other. It's not about the nuance of marriage law.
But if you can scare people they tend to vote this way. And it's worked 30 times now. Confuse, lie and frighten. Never mind the cost.
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Post by kristin8888 on Oct 26, 2012 5:17:11 GMT -6
Its really sad that they have resorted to lying and scaring people instead of telling the truth.
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Post by deannemdm on Oct 26, 2012 7:44:11 GMT -6
Desperation and fear cause many people to do things that they "normally" wouldn't do-- and they claim it is for the better good-- really? They are just trying to excuse their lying.
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Post by bumblebee23 on Oct 26, 2012 8:11:39 GMT -6
Nope I knew that whole thing about teaching our kids about gay marriage in school was a bunch of bull but I hadn't heard the whole story until I was watching the news last night. I think it was Channel 4 and they were talking about some Mississippi couple who suide the school because of some book they read to the kids.
Turns out the book was a story about the differant kinds of families there are and it did have pictures of gay couples but so what! That is a family just like any other and it was just explaining to children that not all kids are raised by a mom and dad. Some kids are adopted, others are raised by aunts/uncles or grandparents, and yes some have gay parents. I didn't see anything wrong with it.
I usually turn the station when I see those commercials supporting the marriage ammendment. They make me angry and I know are filled with a bunch of lies. I was sad to see that according to some pole they think the ammendment will pass. I hope they are wrong.
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Post by irish on Oct 26, 2012 8:11:52 GMT -6
I'm actually more scared of the people that are pushing you to vote yes. They truly frighten me! What's next, no more interracial marriage?
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Post by sharon on Nov 1, 2012 19:50:23 GMT -6
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Post by ballerinamomma on Nov 1, 2012 20:51:52 GMT -6
Well written article Sharon!
Your son is blessed with two great moms!
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Post by dara1012 on Nov 1, 2012 21:32:07 GMT -6
Your article is great! So very true how we start paying attention to things, I found myself nodding a few times reading your note. It is also true that children see gay and lesbian families when adults don't. DS said the other day "some kids have a mom and a dad and some kids have 2 moms or 2 dads and some only have one mom or one dad". He also doesn't make a big deal of families that are different than ours, which adults often do.
The Vote Yes ads really infuriate me, the lies and scare tactics have gone on too long....Vote NO!
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Post by cakemakermom on Nov 2, 2012 7:22:59 GMT -6
What scares me is that there are a lot of uneducated people voting. I mean the ones who won't actually look into the issues and vote determined upon what they hear on the commercials and the signs in other people's yards. This goes for more than just this issue, is also goes for the people we're voting for, down to the local people. It only took me about an hour to look up the websites of all the people I will be voting for because I looked up my local ballot and took the time to educate myself on everything I will be voting on.
Fortunately, in this state, a non-vote on a ballot is a no vote.
On this particular issue, the last commercial I've been seeing and hearing on the radio is trying to say that oh no, they'll teach kids that it's ok to let two men marry and we can't pull our kids out of that class because we're not forewarned. I'd hate to tell them that the kids already are being told that here, when, even in kindergarten, they start to discuss family groups, that the kids draw out their family group and they see a diverse bunch of families. Most kids don't grow up in a one man one woman family group.
Two women or two men fit in right there with one mom, divorced from one man or never having married that man, grandparents raising the kid, their mom with a different man, just one man, adopted parent(s), mixed race families, and any other combination you could think of. As long as the parents are loving and make sure the kids are provided for and not abusing the kids, I see no problem in any family group, but I guess that's just me.
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Post by cakemakermom on Nov 2, 2012 8:16:58 GMT -6
I was talking to the other mom at the bus stop, the very Catholic conservative woman, and she has changed her mind to no on the voter id amendment (it's not finalized and we're supposed to vote yes for an incomplete piece of legislation?) and she's waffling on the marriage amendment. I have another day to convince her to vote no!
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Post by onlyoneboy on Nov 2, 2012 9:40:18 GMT -6
DS1 and I had a conversation about this amendment on our way home yesterday. I was so proud of him. He said it's no fair that DH and I can be married but Uncle Josh and Derek can not be.
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Post by CindyChapman on Nov 4, 2012 8:45:57 GMT -6
Not scared...just angry!
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Post by sharon on Nov 5, 2012 5:26:36 GMT -6
For the first time, the last poll is showing more than 50% of Minnesotans voting No. I'm starting to feel we could actually beat this thing, but trying to keep my excitement in check.
We didn't tell Ian about the poll.
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Post by kristin8888 on Nov 5, 2012 6:57:10 GMT -6
My in-laws have obviously not done their research on this amendment. Yesterday we were talking about it and they think that voting no will legalize same sex marriages. And when i tried to explain, that no, that isn't even what the amendment says they were all no you're wrong. I gave up because we were getting ready to leave and didn't have time to pull up the info but they kinda pissed me off!!! Sorry, just had to rant for a minute. Rant over
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Post by cakemakermom on Nov 5, 2012 9:18:34 GMT -6
I tried to talk to the other mom, but she wasn't in a listening mood, then she said all her gay friends were voting yes also. I did call them idiots... I'm so emotional at the moment. Gay people voting to make their rights harder to obtain, I don't get it.
She tried to bring up why the States were founded. This isn't 236 years ago, is it?
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