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Post by sharon on Aug 2, 2012 16:15:38 GMT -6
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Post by ReneeW on Aug 2, 2012 20:08:49 GMT -6
Everything I've read so far indicates that voter fraud is such a statistically small event. Usually voter fraud happens when felons who are not eligible to vote do, and the amendment wouldn't change this from happening anyway. In my opinion, it will only make it harder for people to vote, especially those whose lives are in transition (like they're moving to a new home), or people who aren't as well off financially and don't have a driver's license etc. because they can't afford a car, or people who don't need a car and don't have a state-issued ID.
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Post by sharon on Aug 2, 2012 20:14:50 GMT -6
Yes, true. It will deny many eligible voters the change to vote ---- all to not prevent a problem we don't have in the first place. It's designed to keep minorities and the poor from voting, which is SO unAmerican.
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Post by danikasmom on Aug 3, 2012 6:31:12 GMT -6
Everyone should have some kind of id. How do you use your credit/ check card? You need an id for a lot of things. If they are cashing a check they need it. They are not that expensive, go get a state id or renew the one you have.
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Post by elizac on Aug 3, 2012 7:41:43 GMT -6
I am not a citizen of the US, so I can't vote on this amendment. However, I am just puzzled that one could vote without a valid ID. Is that the case right now or am I misunderstanding something here? In my home country, you MUST show a valid passport or EU ID to vote and there are no exceptions as far as I know. And I also thought that in the USA you MUST carry an ID at all times. At least that is what I read when I immigrated to this country. Or am I wrong here? Just wondering.
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Post by deannemdm on Aug 3, 2012 8:36:32 GMT -6
I have worked with low income people with disablilities, usually without transportation (from group homes). What about the homeless? The cost associated with tracking down documents to obtain an ID along with getting to and from locations is often prohibitively difficult. This would also apply to some of the elderly in assisted living or nursing homes as well if they do not have nearby or living family to assist them.
I have always just checked register me when I get my driver's license renewed, however for those that don't and can't drive I am not sure what is needed to register at the polls or otherwise. I just know that obtaining an ID for the disenfranchised is very difficult and often this will prevent a portion of the population (often not republican) to not be able to vote.
I remember reading a story (from a news article) about an organization (the alf-cio?_ that offered a reward ($10,000?) for a verifiable case of voter fraud and the only result that was brought to them was some accidental (not deliberate) vote in ONE case. This just does not seem to be fair.
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Post by sharon on Aug 3, 2012 10:04:32 GMT -6
Please watch the video.
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Post by cakemakermom on Aug 3, 2012 11:17:18 GMT -6
I don't see the video on this thread Sharon.
I'm voting no because there has to be a better way to prevent fraud than not allow people who don't have access to getting an ID. I was unsure until my mother mentioned certain people would wouldn't have access to being able to go get that id. Not everyone needs to have a picture id. Many times your birth certificate and social security card are enough for much paperwork.
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Post by bumblebee23 on Aug 3, 2012 12:02:18 GMT -6
I really don't see why this is such a big issue. You have to show your id to purchase cigarettes at 18yrs, to buy liquor at 21yrs, to open a checking account, yes to drive, and various other things. Even if a person doesn't drive they can still get an id and it doesn't cost that much. I don't see this as being as big a deal as people are making it out to be. Plus if this does pass those people in nursing homes and stuff will probably get help getting an id from the people that work there.
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Post by sharon on Aug 3, 2012 14:48:18 GMT -6
Sorry - the link to the video is there now. I hadn't realized I hadn't done that right.
I'm glad we are talking about this! I will get more info later on all the eligible voters who will be denied the right to vote based on this. I have to do some digging.
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Post by merrr on Aug 3, 2012 14:51:47 GMT -6
I think it is perfectly logical to require some form of ID to vote. I had to in Michigan and was shocked when I didn't need any proof of ID when I moved here. What's to stop me from picking some random neighbor and saying that I'm them to vote multipule times? (not that I would)
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Post by sharon on Aug 3, 2012 14:54:08 GMT -6
What's stopping you is that someone can vote once at their assigned polling place. They can prove who they are using a variety of methods now - non-photo ID's, utility bill, etc.
To keep so many people from voting to prevent something that isn't happening makes no sense. And all the money it will cost to implement is crazy. All for a problem that there isn't.
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Post by sharon on Aug 3, 2012 14:58:14 GMT -6
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Post by sharon on Aug 3, 2012 20:02:36 GMT -6
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Post by danikasmom on Aug 4, 2012 17:02:13 GMT -6
Lets see.....
You need an ID to open a checking account, you need an ID to drive to the polling place (if you are driving) you need an ID to cash a check. But you don't need an ID to vote?
Proving voter fraud is almost impossible, since you don't have to produce ID to vote, and the last time I voted my neighbor came and vouched for some of my other neighbors and that was all it took for them to be allowed to vote.
There are no rights being taken away by requiring ID to vote. There are free ID's available for low income people, if you aren't willing to put in the minimum amount of effort neccesary to get said ID then you don't deserve to vote since you clearly aren't willing to put in the required knowledge to know who you should vote for.
Here's a hint it's not the black guy.
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